obama in california. that is all the time this evening. let not your heart be troubled. greta is next to go on the record. greta, take it away. >> greta: this is a fox news alert. five-year-old child is still being held in an underground bunker held in unbelievable 54 hours after a gunman grabbed him from a school bus and shot his bus driver to death. jonathan serrie has the latest. is there any indication that this man is going to release this child? >> reporter: no indication yet. hostage negotiations now going into a third night. it's entirely possible we could be here sometime longer. nearby residents living near the suspect have told authorities this underground bunker is well stocked with food and water and that the suspect has been known to stay in there for as long as

eight days at a time. the mainline of communication between hostage negotiators and the suspect remains a four-inch in diameter pvc pipe leading to the bunker behind the mobile home of the suspect that neighbors have identified as 65-year-old jimmy lee dikes. the five-year-old boy appears to be physically unharmed but emotionally upset. >> we know he is crying for his mother and his grandparents. why the shooter does not release this young boy to his family is hard for me to understand. >> reporter: now, residents say jimmy lee dikes has displayed a violent temper threatening neighbors with a gun and fatally beating a dog with a lead pipe after the pet ventured too close to the property. in general, he seemed to be

paranoid. listen. >> does not believe in any form of government. he believes that government is the enemy. that everything a conspiracy. >> and then we want to tell you about charles polling, jr., 66-year-old bus driver who lost his life while reportedly trying to protect the children on board his school bus when the suspect came on board the bus with a gun. funeral services for him are scheduled for sunday. >> greta: jonathan, is the man in the bunker, has he made some sort of knantdz that we know? has he said, look, i'll release this child if... has he said anything at all? >> reporter: it's possible that he has, but if he has police are not saying anything about it. they have been very tight-lipped about the hostage negotiations,

one possible concern is there is a tv down in that bunker so whatever is reported in the media he could be able to see. police being very cautious about what if any information they are releasing. >> greta: jonathan, thank you. a school bus is full of children when the gunman stormed on board. they watched the gunman as he shot the bus driver to death. good evening, sir. >> good evening. >> greta: can you tell us what the children saw? what did they tell you they saw? >> when they stopped the school bus to allow one of the children to get out, the shooter had stepped aboard the bus and asked they release two children between the ages of 6 and 8 years old under him. he told some of the kids to get off the bus. i don't know at the time if all were released or some of them.

they also said that the bus driver had stood up between him and some of the children to try to protect them. that the particular time is when he was shot. >> greta: i'm curious if they gave any indication that the gunman seemed to know the bus driver or whether pick out some child to take or whether it was random. any indication either way? >> it seems like it was a random kidnapping. we do know that the driver and the shooter did have knowledge of one another and had actually words in the past. >> greta: this is rather small community. have you ever heard this man or hear anything about him? >> i have not. i've only been back in the community about 7 months. i pastored a church for five years but i did not know him or anything about him previous to

this incident. >> greta: i can't imagine what that family is going through. have you talked to the family at all? >> not directly but i talked some people who have had contact with them. of course, they are wanting to say low profile and want to respect their privacy. the families say they are doing as well that can be expected. i know that they have had some ministry and people taking care of them. >> greta: thank you, sir. we're expecting new information from police at a news conference within the hour. stay right where you are. we'll bring you the news as soon as we get it. to capitol hill where sparks are flying. a fierce fight for defense nominee chuck hagel battling critics from his own party. >> were you correct or incorrect when you said that the surge would be the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since vietnam?

were you correct or incorrect, yes or no? >> my reference to this -- >> the question is, were you right or wrong? that is straightforward question. i would like you to answer right or wrong and then you are free to elaborate. >> i'm not going to give you a yes or no answer. >> let the record show he refuses to answer the question. >> i'm a supporter of israel. i said in some cases i am a strong supporter of israel. i think it's in my book we have a special relationship with israel. >> name one person who has intimidated by the israeli lobby in the united states senate. >> first. >> name one. >> i don't know. >> why would you say it. >> i didn't have in mind a specific person. >> do you agree that it's a

provocative statement, that i can't think of a more provocative thing to say about the relationship between united states and israel and the senate and congress in which you said.... >> you continued to hotel extreme views far to the left of even this administration. >> do you think it is right that israel was committing a sickening slaughter as you said before on the floor of the senate. >> i think i would read all of what i said. first i've said many times every nation has a right to defend itself. >> do you think a slaughter would constitute a war crime? >> no, it depends if they were attacked. it depends on many things. >> the question i would like to ask you and you can answer it, what do you think the iranian foreign ministry strongly supports your nomination to be secretary of defense?

>> i have a difficult time with american politics. senator, i have no idea. thank you. >> greta: john bolton joins us, ambassador, at the hearing today senator hagel is a republican. he got grilled by fellow republicans, didn't he? >> it wasn't so much the questions although they were stiff as the answers. this was a debacle for chuck hagel today. if his nomination is defeated, we'll look back and say this was the place where it went down in flames. not only was he not able to defend many of his earlier statements, but he demonstrated a lack of command over the subject matter that he would be responsible for if confirmed. he couldn't identify what the obama administration's policy was. i think one of the telling exchanges changes when he first said that he supported

containing a nuclear iran. someone hands him and a note and reads the note, i guess i misspoke. we don't have a policy on containing a nuclear iran and senator levin has to tell him, we do have a policy. we're not in favor of containment. we want to prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon in the first place. the senator hagel can't even get that right, i think it really left his supporters on that committee very shaken about the case they now have to make. >> greta: he seemed woefully ill prepared. it was he was anti-israel and made the statement in the 12 years as senator, he never voted against israel at all. the way he answered the questions, he seemed woefully ill prepared. he was always on defense. >> i think he came into the

hearing with a lot of liabilities. he left with a couple more. the first is the competence question, whether really he is able to address the issues he is going to have to take under his wing as secretary of defense. he didn't seem to have an idea that the budget cuts that are about to fall on the defense department came from the sequestration in the budget deal. he said several times in the hearing he sits on top of the defense department. a lot of people work for him and he'll be a leader and responsible, but he didn't seem to understand what the job of secretary of defense entailed. i think there is a competence issue. there is also a character issue with n washington what is known as confirmation conversion where confronted with statement after statement he made before, he said i didn't quite appointee it. maybe i misspoke. i would put it a different way.

it really was very weak performance. i think it has to be troubling to the administration as they look ahead to the coming vote. >> greta: is there a difference in qualification for the job of secretary of state versus secretary of defense. in recent years, with so many wars going on and so much overlap, i'm curious how you compare and contrast those qualifications? >> think the job of secretary of defense necessarily involves a lot more management and planning issues, the long term development of weapon systems, planning strategic allocation of resources where the secretary of state job is much more of a policy job. the fact is both are large and important positions. we're about to have or we may have two secretaries who have

minimal executive branch experience. when you add a president and vice president that have minimal executive experience, i'm worried about the strength of our policy in a variety of areas but particularly in national security. >> greta: i don't think i recall seeing a cabinet nominee that looked so bruised at the end of the day with the questioning. >> i think there is some unhappy people in washington. one happy person i think of. two unhappy people are cluck hagel but chuck schumer who started out on this nomination, i want to wait until the hearing then the white house put the heat on him and he endorsed hagel. my choice for the happiest person, hillary clinton that she didn't have to go before this committee to ask questions about benghazi. >> greta: thank you, sir. we want to know what you think. should former senator hagel be

the next defense secretary? go to our website and tell us. and americans are seeing unemployment benefits up. what does president obama do? he lays off his jobs council. the president decides not to renew the jobs council. >> out the door, president obama closing a chapter on the jobs council. >> this is an illustration of why the president probably should never have assembled the panel. >> it was not as shovel ready as we expected. >> the economy is tanking. >> remember the shovel-ready jobs that weren't shovel ready. >> shovel ready was not as shovel ready as we expected. >> we have had four years of the obama economy. it hasn't worked. >> it's been tanking for four years. >> the worst the jobs council did was very helpful. >> the jobs council that didn't

embrace the president's jobs program is when you have to say, what are they up to. >> jobs council -- >> a number of ideas was acted on by this administration. as part of the president's overall commitment to job creation and economic growth. >> shovel ready was not as ready as shovel ready as we expected. >> as it turns out he had a whole bunch of business people that were trying to be good enough to get a food goodies from the president. >> you are more concerned with meetings than progress. >> there haven't been the recovery. now, we have the fourth quarter where the economy shrank. it contracted. >> greta: now what? ron johnson joins us, republican senator. i may be one of the few that it's not a big deal because i thought it was a silly photo op, to put these people in and we

pretend something happened. >> it was window dressing. >> greta: i don't know what the accomplishment, four times in the first year and zero in the second. >> they came up with a report. they made some recommendations, pretty good recommendations, increasing investment in the private sector, to make sure that america has abundant and affordable energy. reduce the regulatory burden. these are solid proposals. >> greta: how do you do it? >> they are contrary to what president obama wants to do. affordable energy, president obama said as a candidate what we need to do because his cap and trade policies, electricity rates would skyrocket. his energy secretary, we need gasoline prices to the level of europe. so what his jobs council was proposing runs contrary what president obama's ideology. if you are going to make america attractive for business expansion you don't increase taxes. you don't continue with this

$1.75 trillion regulatory burden on our economy. that is number that largest in the world. that is what we burden our businesses with each and every year. president obama has done nothing but increase the regulatory burden. >> greta: i like politicians reach out to people with particular expertise to solve problems. but to form committees to look good and this one did not seem active committee. if it was active it didn't do well because the economy shrunk in the last quarter. where do we stand now? what are we going to do about jobs? >> we have to get our fiscal house in order. there are so many things creating a lack of confidence. it starts with getting the federal government fiscal house in order. >> greta: i know you voted no, but they extended credit card for the federal government. are we really doing anything to get our fiscal business in

order? >> it starts out with flushing out a plan, a real viable plan from president obama. how about having the senate pass a budget which they haven't done in four years. one good things in terms of the house suspending the debt limit, giving the democrats time to pass a budget so we have something to compromise with. why don't you guys get along. i'm happy to work with anybody that to acknowledge the problem, but it's hard to compromise when you don't even have a viable plan. the last two budgets voted on three times. >> greta: i lay the blame on harry reid. house had a budget, maybe good or but the senator never let it be brought to the floor so give and take negotiations. however, where i casted the blame back at president obama he submitted the budget is why didn't he pick up the phone and

tell his party leader, harry reid, get a budget so we can at least have a conversation. >> listen, these are such important issues. i hate these back room deals. we voted on the fiscal cliff at 1:40 in the morning on new year's day. >> greta: who read it? >> i prevented 99% of americans from getting an income tax increase and money flowing out of the private sector to the inefficient government sector. i knew the basic thrust of doing business. we should have regular order which would be the house passes a budget, senate passes a budget and you reconcile that and that is the framework for the committee work. >> like the president was supposed to submit a budget. there is no regard for deadline. if the rest of us in america

ignored deadlines. if i showed up at 10:15, how long would i keep my job. >> america is bankrupt. only reason we're not functionally bankrupt we can print money. do you know what your share of the federal debt is? $52,000. we have blown by greece in terms of per capita debt. >> greta: we some could pay it off now and buy out now? >> good luck trying to borrow the money under dodd-frank. >> it's not just the superbowl. competing head coaches, john and jim harbaugh. one person to be on edge is the father jack harbaugh. what does he have to say about the big match-up. also a new twist, in the dispeerngs after an american woman in turkey. police, a huge star is joining

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>>. >> greta: ravens versus 49ers at sunday, it will be brother versus brother. competing coaches john and jim harbaugh. how is the parents going to handle it? we spoke with the coaches' father. >> what is it for you and your wife? >> we're still trying to feel our way through it. it hasn't hit us what impact this has on our family and what impact it has on us. just the stage is so big and

we're still trying to find out what our place is. we had come to the conclusion. less you see of jack and jackie harbaugh the better the world would be. it's about the 106 football players that are going to compete. two great coaching staffs that are going to be competing against each other. you have a team on west coast and team on east coast, great coaching staff, great men, humble men competing in this great sport. great, great pride, but, jim, it's no different when they came home and they said, dad, i made our junior high school football team. that smile on their face. you hugged them. i'm so proud of you. dad, i'm the starting whatever on high school basketball team. the emotions you feel aren't any difference but the stage is bigger and there is more people to share it with.

as a parent the emotions are all the aim. >> how are you going to be handling the different emotions at the end of the game. one will be hoisting the trophy and be champion for life, the other son will be back in the locker room with a went wrong with this opportunity? >> we had a blueprint. we saw last year on thanksgiving when they played the game. i know the stage is bigger but for us, you have the same emotions. high emotions. i think our first thought will be, for that came up a little short. agony of defeat we've all heard since we were very young. we'll take time to go and share the thrill of victory with the other son. with equal emotions. >> greta: he joins us with the home of superbowl number 47. did the father of the two

coaches mention where he would be watching the game and where his wife watching the game. are they in new orleans and are they back home? >> they will be in new orleans. they will be in stadium and will be watching. jack par har but a says his wife gets animated during the game. a lot of times she will from time to time scream. so she will be screaming at the game. it will be a difficult day for them because you will want to cheer on one hand one team, but feel bad on the other hand. it's a very unique situation. we haven't seen anything like this in sports other than when the william sisters played in grand slam championships. >> greta: i can't decide whether it's parents to have a huge blowout for one of the two teams or have a cliff-hanger where its heartbreak. i can't decide. which would you prefer? >> the mother has petitioned

roger guedell and asked for a tie. he has not gotten a response from the commissioner. i would think that maybe some of the strain would be taken off if it is a blowout. country won't want that. country wants to see a close game. >> greta: last time they met was thanksgiving 2011 was raiv convenience victory? >> yes, it was. >> greta: have the teams changed dramatically since then? >> yes, they have. they changed dramatically during this season. both of the head coaches, their father was a coach for 40 years in high school and college. he knows what tough decisions are. john harbaugh fired his defensive coordinator toward the end of the season. since that time, joe and rave convenience has done well. alex smith the starting quarterback had a concussion and got replaced by kaepernick. when smith got well he decided to stay with kaepernick who has

been nothing short of sensational. both of those moves took a lot of guts and turned out to be proven very right. >> greta: and you also mentioned what their father said vince lombardi trophy, the green bay packers that won against kansas city chiefs. you remember that one? >> of course, he won the second one as well. >> greta: he won the second one, as well. who is favored this weekend? >> the odds makers in las vegas are saying that the 49ers are 3 1/2 point favorites. down here you get a feeling on the streets there seem to be here on thursday and some 72 hours away from the game, right now it seems like it's being overrun by the people at baltimore it's much closer. >> greta: 49ers, the pass he made against denver, think it

was 70 yards in the air. that sets a tough one for the quarterback for the 49ers to run. it will be a good game. >> should be fun. >> greta: thanks very much. of course you can listen to jim's coverage of the superbowl on dial global radio network. who are you rooted go for john harbaugh or jim harbaugh? go to gretawire.com and tell us. up next, it's no secret. many small businesses are fearing the cost of obamacare will on force them to lay off workers. one business owner says he has a secret to outsmarting obamacare. he is here to tell you what it is. also, it's happened again. a married celebrity joined the list with a love child. who is it? the stunning news is coming up. ? yes! one phillips' colon health probiotic cap each day helps defend against these digestive issues

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>>. >> greta: this is a fox news alert. there is breaking news in alabama. a five-year-old boy still in great danger. he is being held by a gunman in a bunker. there was an update and live at the scene. gregg, what did they el you at the press conference? >> reporter: not a whole lot. looks like more of the same. we're in a holding pattern information wise. they are trying to be tight as possible with information for obvious reasons.

they don't want to jeopardize the negotiations. >> greta: do you know what kind of information the gunman can see in the buncher via his television set. is there anything they can do are or are trying to do? >> i'm not exactly aware of that. that is my understanding. >> tell me about this gunman. >> he has believe it or not an extensive criminal history. he has a couple prior arrests. he was arrested in florida for a firearm charge. he displayed in a menacing manner and he was arrested before menacing one of his neighbors. he approached one of them with a gun and arrested and brought up on charges. he was scheduled for a court

appearance on window. >> what i don't understand, misdemeanor charge. if you menace someone with a gun it could be assault with attempt to kill which is very serious felony. menacing a neighbor appears to be the charge and why he is out on the bond? >> that appears to be the case. a lot of people are involved in the situation and we probably will more. it is a misdemeanor charge. that is one of the questions that a lot of neighbors have had so far is how, with a kind of warning signs were in place from the get-go. >> greta: i would like to hear from the prosecutor why this guy was out misdemeanor brandishing a gun and menacing someone. anyway, greg, thank you.

we're staying on top of the breaking news. now, to obamacare. small businesses are bracing for it. many business owners across the nation fearing obamacare will give them no choice, but to lay off workers. one business owner says he has figured out a way to outsmart obamacare. paul christensen joins us. nice to see you. >> good to be with you. >> greta: one of the thresholds that the business people are facing if you have 50 employees or more, you are going to have provide health insurance. some business owners are trying to get below the 50 which means layoffs. tell me what is your idea or thought to bypass to layoff to get underneath that 50 number. >> my solution is one that was formulated a few years ago by silicon valley thinker called michael malone in a seminal book the future arrived yesterday.

his notion was one of something called the protean corporation which is designed primarily to provide fast response to changes in the economy or markets or other conditions. so that their business can be as efficient as possible. as i was thinking about the problems that businesses are having with obamacare and this 50 number, instead of laying off employees or moving into part time or some extreme cases shutting down the business, i thought that the protean concept of basically moving all but a core group of people that are responsible for the essence of the corporation, what the products are, how it messages, those kinds of things, was a real solution. so, i basically postulated how

businesses can convert employees to their own corporation as a way of getting out from under this obamacare. >> greta: you have a 75 employees and you are worried you want to get under the 50. all 75 in theory could go out and pay $30 and become incorporated and you don't have 75 employees but contracts with individual corporations. so you have 75 different corporations and then you would get out from underneath that. is that the thinking? >> that is essentially thinking, but what would probably happen, some of those people would get together and form a little bit larger corporations, to kind of share overhead costs. the important thing is, we got into this nest back in world war ii when companies were trying to pay their people more, but couldn't because of wage and price controls.

to work around that was to provide health insurance as a way to artificially raise the overall compensation. that has continued. now, we have obamacare as yet more government kind of meddling in the economy and businesses are going to need to be creative in devising strategies for dealing with that. >> greta: or lay off or pay the health insurance and ree dues the profit. anyway, we're going to see a lot of work around this. thank you, sir. coming up, a very strange disappearance. search for the american woman that vanished in turkey. brand-new turn. in two minutes, you know longer have to wait for the superbowl to see the ads. one company now regret releasing the ad early. the commercial is coming under heavy fire. you'll see the entire ad for

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>>. >> greta: new surveillance video shows a new york woman at the istanbul airport before she vanished. she was traveling since january 7th and supposed to return home to january 22 but never boarded her plane. her husband is looking for her and tonight there is news. fox new york report lisa everetts is here with the latest. tell us about the video that has been released? >> latest video shows her in the airport in istanbul as she was making her way to amsterdam. earlier in the week we thought she went back to munich but she left istanbul and went to amsterdam and went from there to munich and back to istanbul. what is interesting about that, it seems the time line is not exact but what it is looking at, she was in amsterdam for no more

than a day. that is raising a lot of questions. a lot of people are wondering what was the point of the trip for sightseeing, to ex floor photography hobby. so investigators we're being told are looking at that very closely. >> greta: beside it's agree graphically, not the fastest way to go. maybe she had a cheaper ticket to istanbul. they are looking into some person she is communicating with online. >> yes, her husband willingly turned over the facebook accounts and all the access information to the turkish police. now what we're hearing is there was a man she had been in communication with and that apparently right before the day before she was scheduled to leave istanbul she was going to meet him at this famous bridge in istanbul and take pictures there with him.

what i'm hearing tonight from law enforcement sources just a short time ago is that they have the f.b.i. has helped the turkish police identify this individual, the man that went by the name of palin and they will be talking to him this week. they are saying he is not a suspect. they are saying he is a person of interest from my sources. that is what they say at this point in the investigation. i have to tell you, this is very strong full force investigation. the turkish police have assigned 28 police officers. they have created a specific task force and in turkey there is tremendous amount of interest in this. there is a missing person foundation and they have been receiving tips. they claim they have gotten calls from people who saw her on the bridge with this man. if that is the case, this could possibly be the last sighting of her before she just vanished. there is lot more work to be done. they are taking a look at financial records and that may yield some information and a little more in-depth what this

trip was all about. >> greta: very bizarre case. i'm sure we'll learn more in the days to come. straight ahead, soccer sensation david beckham, which team will he play for. that is next. also first it was john edwards and we found about arnold schwarzenegger hiding away a secret love child. well, another big celebrity is joining their club. who is it? here is a hint. he'll be very busy this sunday. stick around to find out. my wife takes centrum silver. i've been on the fence about it. then i read an article about a study that looked at the long term health benefits of taking multivitamins. they used centrum silver for the study... so i guess my wife was right. [ male announcer ] centrum. always your most complete.

>>. >> greta: another love child. all those headlines in social media today. first, from n.f.l. star turn broadcaster dan marino admitting having an affair and admitting to having a love child. dan marino fathered a child in 2005 with cbs employee. there is more. marino paid the woman millions of dollars to keep quiet about the baby. he was worried at the time. he and his wife are still together. he will be part of the superbowl coverage.

tonight "new york times" and others have admitted they were attacked by hackers in china. "wall street journal" got hacked, too. nobody in this business if the chinese aren't after your password. imagine from tweeting from hr. that is what happened ton to an employee did. tweeting from hr where we are being fired. exciting. there are over 60 of us being fired. mass execution that love the brand. employees getting revenge, they tweeted from the company's account so they deleted the tweets and tweeted its own message. one of our colleagues are understandably upset. thanks for supporting hmv during these challenging times. >> jeremy lin.

is it legal to text while riding a horse and tweeting a photo. what do you think? legal or not? and tonight soccer star david beckham has a new team. david beckham donates salary to children's charity. you heard right. after playing had britain and spain and los angeles, soccer star david bem beckham signing on with a paris team. he said he will donate his entire salary to charity. >> instead of a football they played football they played the game with a gucchi purse. >> and fox news star tweeting, launch facebook alternative. new social network.... >> greta: so what are your

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